Istoria tinde sa se repete

Zilele trecute am recitit “Istoria Garzii de Fier” (Francisco Veiga) si am citit “Noica si Miscarea Legionara” (Sorin Lavric).

Tuturor romanilor care sunt de acord cu ideea de a-ti face dreptate singur, care asteapta un inger salvator care sa impuste cativa politicieni si oameni rai pentru a-i potoli, le dau o veste proasta: istoria arata ca acest mod de gandire duce la ceva foarte rau si ca in viata reala nu functioneaza.

Daca esti atent la ceea ce abereaza zilele acestea romanul de rand la televizor, radio sau pe internet iti dai seama ca societatea nu functioneaza si ca riscul unor derapaje grave este foarte serios. Si iti dai seama cat de important este ca, in acest timp de criza economica, suntem in UE si NATO si nu in afara lor.

PS In timp ce scriam aceste randuri am observat la televizor ca PNG are ca si culoare dominanta verdele. In acelasi timp am ascultat cuvintele liderului sau despre Dumnezeu, Isus, popor si mi-au sunat foarte familiar. Parca citisem de curand ceva de genul acesta.

11 Responses to “Istoria tinde sa se repete”

  1. takeda Says:

    E adevarat ce spui Boti. Si eu am facut analogie de personaje, cu atat mai mult cu cat vremurile “reclama” astfel de manifestari.

    Si social, si crestineste, si uman… ai dreptate: nu ne putem face singuri dreptate! Cum modelul de leadership pentru Romania nu ar trebui sa fie un sponsor …

    Am vazut insa acest film http://thebraveone.warnerbros.com/. Si nu mi s-a parut chiar ipotetic, cu atat mai mult cu cat mie politia romana i-a dat saptamana trecuta unui prieten urmatoarea replica, dupa ce i-a hotii au intrat la el in casa noaptea, in timp ce el dormea (incearca sa intelegi sentimentul!): “daca gasim ceva urme, aveti mare bulan!”.

    Ceva similar mi-au spus si mie cand mi-a fost sparta casa…

  2. boti Says:

    Un rau nu se indreapta printr-un alt rau.
    Cineva care ii trage un glont in cap cuiva care i-a facut un mega rau si justitia l-a dat scapat poate fi inteles uman, dar trebuie condamnat conform legilor in viguare. Inchisoare 20 de ani, 30 de ani sau pe viata - ce-o zice legea. Despre asta este vorba.

  3. takeda Says:

    eu raman cu problema mea: increderea in sistem. el insusi este corupt, si, in consecinta nu am suport, confort. daca suntem atenti la semnale ne dam seama ca nu doar sistemele de valori sunt varza; toate ierarhiile si mecanismele de inter-relationare s-au facut zob. eu despre asta vorbesc.

    e just ca tragi semnale de alarma… si eu fac acelasi lucru! doar ca te “citesc” eu si cei ca mine, care, intamplator, iti impartasim parerea.

  4. Oxygen Says:

    Si eu sunt de parere ca legile sunt legi pentru un motiv: sa fie urmate fara exceptie. Dar cand intreg sistemul e corupt il mai urmezi doar pentru ca e lege? Sistemul ar trebui sa se adapteze la realitate, nu realitatea la sistem. Vorbind in termeni de marketing daca “legea” unei companii este “we are in the railroad business” (ca angajati) o urmam doar pentru ca este lege?

  5. boti Says:

    da-i drumul si fa revolutie daca chiar crezi ca e la pamant sistemul. dar asta inseamna sa ai ceva definit - ce vrei sa pui in loc. Ceva mai bun.
    parerea mea este ca majoritatea celor care se plang ca sistemul nu merge nu au dreptul sa se planga pentru ca sunt convins ca nu au facut ce le statea in putinta sa-l schimbe (legal). Sa dai spaga la politist sa nu-ti ia carnetul si apoi sa te plangi ca nu te ajuta cand ai nevoie …
    Sa te duci la spital la o cunostinta si sa sari peste coada formata din 7-8 batrani, sa apelezi la pilele de la primarie, etc, etc si apoi sa te plangi ca lucrurile nu merg…
    Sa nu faci plangere cand nu esti tratat cum trebuie si apoi sa anunti sfarsitul societatii romanesti…
    Eu cred ca inainte de a hotari ca sistemul nu merge si a incalca legea fiecare trebuie sa faca ce ii sta in putinta pentru a schimba lucrurile.
    Si am convingerea ca nu se intampla decat extrem de rar. Asa ca ar fi interesant sa vedem ce se intampla daca toti oamenii onesti fac un efort sa foloseasca instrumentele democratiei pentru a rezolva problemele - inainte de a incalca si ei legile tarii.
    Revenind la prima parte a raspunsului, sunt curios ce este acest mai bun de pus in loc? Un sistem in care fiecare isi face dreptate singur? Vestea proasta este ca exact durii de azi isi vor face cel mai mult dreptate si oamenii normali vor suferi mult mai mult.

  6. takeda Says:

    1. nu am dat shpaga in viata mea (parintii mei sunt chiar ingrijorati ca m-au educat in totala disonanta cu vremurile!).
    2. sa vorbim despre sistemul de sanatate? pentru ca sunt incapabil sa dau spaga (cand am dat totusi ceva la anestezist am transpirat tot: de nervi, de jena, de indignare. Ne-am mutat la clinica privata, unde doar anamneza de 10 minute coste 100 ron… invariabil medicul la care iti faci programare intarzie cate o jumatate de ora!

    Am patru plangeri la 2 ministere… si la ce mi-a folosit? Sa ma duc la Haga? Poate ca asta e solutia, dar in cazul asta eu cand mai traiesc?

    Ne propui o revolutie… crezi ca poate fi una de catifea? Tu ce ai pune in loc? Nu e paradoxal ca vorbim despre posibilitatea de a fi mai buni fara ca nici unul dintr noi sa venim cu o solutie concreta?

    Deja simt ca sunt total neconstructiv… din ceea ce scriu aici si din ceea ce spui si tu, deduc ca sunt foarte putin oameni onesti. In sistem si in afara lui.

  7. boti Says:

    Hopa, trebe sa dau un reply de pe bbery :). Nu indemn pe nimeni la revolutie - din contra.
    Dar sunt constient ca exista un moment in care trebe sa incalci legile: pt a schimba un regim care incalca legile.
    Uite, in Moldova se incalca niste legi zilele astea. Revin de pe computer

  8. boti Says:

    O sa fac un pas inapoi la ceea ce ziceam la inceput: sunt impotriva actiunilor prin care iti faci singur dreptate, prin care un individ/grup de indivizi iau problema in mana lor. O ideea care a sedus un grup mare de intelectuali romani in anii 30 si care nu are cum sa duca undeva bun. Este ingrijorator cat de multi oameni incep sa simta asta. Sistemul nu este f bun, dar se inregistreaza progrese. Mi-a fost sparta masina si am trait experienta lucrului cu politia romana. Nu s-a rezolvat nimic. Asta nu ma face sa vreau sa-mi fac dreptate singur.
    Ma lasa rece individul care tine zilele acestea prima pagina a stirilor - ma ingrijoreaza reactia oamenilor, gandurile exprimate.
    Si o precizare de modul in care se pot schimba lucrurile sub influenta oamenilor: eu am o problema cu invatamantul din romania. Este execrabil. Nivelul absolventilor dovedeste asta (nu inseamna ca toti sunt praf, dar vezi prea multi oameni destepti, cu potential pe care nu l-au exploatat. Si cu mentalitate gresita). As putea sa ma plang pur si simplu sau sa-mi castig dreptul de a ma plange: de cate ori am ocazia ma duc sa le vorbesc studentilor, sa le transmit din lucrurile pe care le stiu, sa le modelez cat de putin mentalitatea – o fac. De saptamana trecuta ma vad in fiecare marti cu 24 de studenti, predau la MBA, tin blogul, o sa scriu o carte. O sa creez oportunitati pentru alti prieteni care au ceva de zis sa se intalneasca cu studentii. Lucrez la un training pentru profesori pe care sa incerc sa-l tin undeva in viitor in scoli, licee pentru a le transmite din experienta mea de profesor si trainer.
    Normal, fiind in Romania s-ar putea sa fiu nevoit sa apelez la cate o relatie / pila / spaga pentru a putea face voluntariatul acesta (am mai scris pe blog despre o organizatie studenteasca care mi-a cerut bani pentru a le tine un training ). Teoretic nu o sa o fac, practic vom vedea 

  9. takeda Says:

    stiu ca poti sa inspiri si sa ii faci pe oameni sa gandeasca. pe mine m-ai ajutat in sensul asta.

    d’aia “combat” aici… poate iese ceva bun din atatea idei “revolutionare”.

  10. takeda Says:

    explain this…

    http://alice.protv.ro/video-free-gigi/20399

  11. Oxygen Says:

    Ca unul dintre cei 24 apreciez foarte mult si cum gandesti si ce faci.

    Din pacate il inteleg pe individul de pe prima pagina, problema mea e ca nu imparte celula si cu cei care i-au furat masina. Dar nu cred nici in reguli rigide care trebuiesc urmate indiferent de realitate. E adevarat ca genul asta de comportament duce la lucruri mult mai rele, dar nici judecatorii si politia nu au “the moral high ground”. Daca faci o treaba fa-o calumea! Gigi trebuia sa ii duca la politia pe respectivi, iar politia trebuia sa ii aresteze si pe unii si pe altii.

    Cat despre schimbarea prin revolutie nu cred ca e cazul. Schimbarea o faci singur intrand in sistem si convingandu-i pe altii ca tine sa intre in sistem si sa incerce sa schimbe.

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